So you know, defer obviously to policy to describe exactly where that is, but for us, you know, the capabilities and that's why the things that we need are going to be against the higher end -- those, you know, China and Russia would do together have some incredibly capable -- capabilities.

... (inaudible) nuclear deterrence note, no diminution on Russia's capabilities or threats there.  None intended to be messaged by anything.  What we're saying here is that we don't take that seriously.

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